Alpine Shop is like REI but smaller and canoes/kayaks are just a small department. On the rack at eye level my wife and I were able to lift it down to the floor. The one issue with the Vagabond and Argosy is there isn’t a yoke in the center to grab onto like a tandem boat. I think the Vagabond is a fine, general purpose canoe that probably gets less attention than it deserves. Most people bring solo canoes. We have one… However for a first time never ever soloed person getting one may be a big mistake. The seat was very hard to adjust as it was binding. Finally, the boat plops down level, and it’s easy to slide it back the rest of the way. The adjustable seat is nice and the foot rests work well. Old Town kayaks combine technology with tradition, to provide you with a boat you can be as confident as you are comfortable in. The Tuff Weave weight of this boat is supposed to be about 40lbs but even that was hard to get over my head. We have a dedicated paddling shop where I live that is a Wenonah dealer. The FastTrack gets too wet even if we don’t encounter boat wakes. I would use two sets of Yakima Keel Over canoes supports systems on the bars for two boats. Again I had the same issues lifting the boat over my head. Throughout his career, Erik has partnered with pharmaceutical, higher education, manufacturing financial, religious and real estate development to successfully deliver their projects. Having two solo canoes pushed beyond the vertical line of the tailgate may make my turning radius less. NEXT. Longwater Business Park These boats were up on racks with about a 5ft aisle between the racks so there wasn’t much room to try to lift them. Off trim you will catch every breeze and be off to god knows where. We are currently oversold on many kayaks. I will need to install a naked roof Yakima base with probably 66" rods on the crew cab roof. Taboo Stand Up Paddle 75", 82" - double blade. This boat was $525 off MSRP. She would prefer to use a kayak paddle and I the Vagabond would be her boat. Celebrating 30 Years Of Exploring. On that note, you could use such a system to mount the front cross bar well out over the truck’s cab, cantilevered from the four existing support points on the camper shell, and that would simplify the process of loading boats from the front of the vehicle, as well as provide much better support locations when your boats are racked so far forward that they are out of the way of your trailer. I’m thinking the Ivory color would be best not to show the scratches, which are inevitable and it would reflect the sun. These bars would attach near the outer ends of each cross bar. I just like the length of the NEXT. Is your wife highly motivated to paddle solo, or would she be perfectly happy paddling tandem on those days when both of you go together? While I feel confident about purchasing the Vagabond would the Argosy be a mistake for using on local lakes. If I were wearing such footwear as a beginner, I’d probably say to myself “this will never work”. First the Next. Would be happy to try to work out a date you could visit & do a test paddle. Sitting backwards on the bow seat you will still not have level trim so you will have to bring ballast ( 100 lbs or so) to bring the unweighted stem down. I noticed the sides of the boat curve to the floor when sitting in the boat vs the Vagabond come straight down the have a small curved to the floor of the boat. Old Town Saranac 146. This would allow my occasional solos, tandem and the rare times when my daughter is with us. We mount a couple of bikes on the A frame of our Airstream using a tongue mount bike rack system (Arvika) The bikes rest on wheel trays with the bikes suspended over the propane tanks. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you … We saw a lot of these in Florida. The ARE camper shell came with 58" round bars… Since I will have to purchase two new rods I may switch from the round to the elliptical shaped rods. So, the Old Town NEXT is a good boat for you if: 1 - You are willing to fix the seat. Our local paddle shop has a demo Wenonah Aurora, I think, so we may ask for a test paddle to at least determine if a tandem is out of the question. I don’t think I want the hassle of hauling an Adirondack and Vagabond or Next together on the truck. The seat makes it were Im comfortable all day. There will be quite a selection of different boats and many people are willing to let you try. Buy it! 2 - You don't mind manhandling a 60lb 13' boat around. I have really enjoyed use the NEXT. fishing, camping, or just paddling. . The front seat is a little tight for space. I found the Argosy less twitchy than some, but I did paddle it kneeling, and I know a number of people who found it rather user-unfriendly. Gone are the days of making that difficult compromise between the easy access of … The Old Town Pack is about the lightest and easiest handling solo canoe that I have found. Have no idea how much a front mounted rack costs…plenty I bet, Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Old Town Next, Wenonah Adirondack, Vagabond, Argosy for First Time Canoe. I’ve looked at Craigslist locally and most used canoes are the heavy poly canoes. Old Town Canoes For Sale Norfolk Canoes is a specialist supplier of all Old Town Canadian canoes . We think two solo boats will be the best solution. We will look at all these boats tomorrow. 3 - You want a fast, great turning, easy paddling kayak with the carrying capacity of a small canoe with a really comfortable seat. I prefer the colors and the Wenonah catalog states you can order at no cost the color even on the Kevlar UL but it adds about 5 to 8 lbs. My girlfriend loves her solo canoe and uses it every chance she can, but her solo paddling skill doesn’t match her tandem skill, so when the two of us want to cover more than just short distances together at “average” paddling speeds, we take a tandem canoe. It is geared more towards flat water, but I have paddled many miles of Class I rivers in Indiana with a friend who owns one. You could adjust the seat flat for low and high positions so I figured the Vagabond must be paddled from a level seat. $103.99 Old Town. Fishing, rods & reels, camping gear, tents and much more. I’m mentioning this as a possibility, not as something I expect to be the case for the two of you. $999.99 - $1,099.99 Old Town. For full details on our Click & Collect service, please see: Nationwide Click & Collect, Enigma Canoes Fox 14 (TuffStuff), Give us a call on 01603 747139 if you have any questions about the Old Town Next, TELEPHONE: It still moved forward. Most paddling boots and “wading shoes” would fit the bill. We also offer a collect from store service. this is one boat I would never ever buy unless you have test paddled it. Another customer taller than me was able to lift it above his head. If a kayak is missing the “Add To Cart” button, it is only available through an Authorized Dealer. One tandem canoe would be centered on the shell and wouldn’t (shouldn’t) have these issues when turning with the trailer. I can reach up and just touch the end of the round bar. With its classic canoe shape and impeccable Old Town heritage, you know that the Next will be both well designed and also perform very well on the water. the Solo plus does nothing well. My ARE Series Z shell slants forward from the top of the tailgate but I still have to be careful. Paddling is not all about the boat. Norwich Fifth wheelers often have a front mounted bumper rack for their boats… Of course with the trailer in the bed they are limited to short SOTs and rec kayaks. The Old Town Canoe Company has been making quality canoes and kayaks for more than a century, building a reputation as one of the foremost leaders of the canoe and kayak industry. Lowering the seat helps but kneeling is best. You can see that when front-loading like this in a case where the front cross bar is “way back there” on the camper shell, non-slip padding (like a bathmat) on the truck’s roof would come in handy. Outlook for Wednesday to Friday. I have to be careful with backing with tight turns due to the camper shell corners contacting the bike wheels. Before we purchase boats I’m going to have to get my truck’s rack system sorted out. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. This is my first canoe or any paddle sport product. Discontinued Amber Alert as four Texas children are found safe . I have not owned either a Vagabond or an Argosy, but have paddled both a number of times…. Post Jun 22, 2009 #1 2009-06-22T07:29. Since the Vagabond UL is supposed to be 30lbs and the Tuff Weave 40lbs I’m not sure if 5lbs difference between a painted Kevlar vs the Tuff Weaver version is worth the cost of the Kevlar. The Argosy is fine on flatwater. I found this site showing an Ivory Heron with black trim and what appears an adjustable web seat mounted amidships. I think their canoe was the Spirit II (17’). For loading just one boat on your roof, another method that works well is to put a lengthwise bar on each side of your rack. Why not just buy a second Fast Track? I predict that you will also be buying a solo boat in the future…, (At least if most of the people around here are any indication). The Argosy, like many Wenonah canoes, has what I will call “bubble sided tumblehome” as this picture shows: If your load is such that most of that “bubble” on the side is out of the water, the canoe will still feel reasonably stable. I was thinking of the Arvika bike rack and now will rethink getting one re the issue rear clearance… For now we have a folding bike that we put in the bed of the truck and the other goes in the trailer. I saw a Yakima bar like this at a paddle-sport show last weekend (Canoecopia) and it was as flimsy as heck, but it would have been strong enough to use for side-loading of a canoe. Canoe Guru. Maybe they had an earlier model but they did say the Next at the shop seemed heavier than their boat. Available at … Since purchasing I added a camper shell. Norfolk Canoes Carrying yoke – Anytime you want to carry your Old Town Canoe a carrying yoke makes it easy to balance your canoe by yourself, or with a second helper. We will be going out to Alaska with boat in the summer. For a solo its big for a tandem small. 261. Old Town Pack 12 Royalex Canoe is no longer available. Unit A If we went with two solo Wenonah canoes the wife would take the Vagabond and I would use the Argosy. Carrying a tandem canoe and a solo canoe together is hardly any different than carrying two solos, though you might need to lengthen your cross bars (on my car, I rigged up a cheap, home-made system for installing longer cross bars which attaches in just a few minutes while the original (shorter) cross bars remain attached at all times). This is the classic position for one person portaging a canoe that you’ve probably seen lots of times. Shop closed until further notice **COVID-19 Announcement - Please Read**, Norfolk Canoes Ltd | The Canoe Shops Group - Est 1996 | The Biggest Canoe & Kayak Stores in the UK, We Are Open For Click & Collect or Home Delivery | SHOWROOM CLOSED, Optimum weight capacity may differ - please contact us if you are unsure about the suitability of the Old Town Next for your weight, Pronounced Tumblehome and lower profile sides for easy paddling. The NEXT is a perfect choice if you want to explore new waters, paddle for fitness, or just get out on the water with friends. Its about matching boat to paddler skill set. Not too small or too big (needed to fit on roof rack w kayak). Can’t promise it would be available for sale. There is just not any selection around here. bummer. From now on we are open from 12:00 to 20:00 for take away !! The yoke appears to be moved back to allow the middle seat. Finding authentic Old Town Canoe parts or accessories Pack CanoeSelling my 33 Pound / Old Town Pack Canoe PackageSelling ONLY as a package2- Excellent paddles, life jacket, fishing crateMy Old Town Pack Canoe is made of extremely durable and tough Royalex ®which is … Its more a kayak than a solo canoe. 01603 747139, ADDRESS: Since your rack is on a camper shell, it should be possible to get the rear mounting point far enough back. We have been building adventure since 1898. They don’t have any models in stock except a blue Aurora Tuff Weave. What are you going to use a canoe for that you can’t accomplish with your Sea Eagle Fast Track? Nimod 14, Nova Craft (60lbs). Adjustable footrests like those you find in a kayak are also present to aid the ideal seated paddling position. I don’t think we will get involved in any multi-day trips, just day tripping. Just for grins we brought the kevlar UL Spirit II down. ... Julian Garcia is described as a 7-year-old Hispanic boy, ... Texas Capitol will reopen to the public next month. You should remain torso parallel to tree trunks on shore… let the boat heel… you do not lean over. Caps, Scarfs, Sundry Items & Gift Vouchers. Old Town has special oar locks to secure various size oars. The Next however is 20lbs heavier. Guide 147. We are traveling 200 miles to see these canoes. Just to stir the pot a little, I’m thinking that the combination of the Adirondack and Vagabond could turn out well, depending on your wife’s solo paddling skills and aspirations. Trim being the biggest. I have not paddled an Adirondack. This makes it yaw quite a bit ( zig zag) . We just bolted the Argosy seat… We can take the bolts out when we sell the boat and resume the “adjustable” attribute. Well I completely understand the allure of a light weight canoe. Don’t mean to throw you off your program, just something to consider…The lighter the solo hull the more it gets used (whitewater notwithstanding). The Next has been designed to be used with a double bladed kayak paddle, so for anyone who has had trouble mastering the J-stroke and regularly frustrated trying to keep a canoe straight, this canoe could be the answer to your prayers. For 13’ it is heavy. We checked the Next off our list. Its good you don’t live East… There is more canoe eye candy ( and not Wenonahs) that would tempt you. It maybe best if we stick with a tandem and forego my solo desires… The Old Town NEXT Canoe mixes both features for a fun, unique and remarkably easy paddling experience. The first Wenonah we considered was the Heron, 15’ tandem. KJR. OK, we drove up to Alpine Shop in Kirkwood, MO today. In a tandem I’d be in the stern so I need to get proficient. The Wenonahs are Tuff Weave construction. Of course, if the trailer is not in the way, you could lay that rubber-backed bath mat on the rear edge of your camper shell and slide the boat up from that direction. I had back surgery 17 years ago for a herniated disk so the extra money for a lighter boat would be worth it now as we are in our 60s. We are contemplating upgrading to a canoe from our Sea Eagle inflatable FastTrack 385(12 1/2’ solo/tandem). It has a high Irish and Italian immigrant population, with the Westies gang holing up in the area until the 2000s, when Phillip Cuneo took it for himself and Cuneo Family . Maybe not a big deal. Old Town, Florida, a town in Dixie County, not to be confused with the one in Orlando Old Town Fernandina , Fernandina Beach, Florida; the last town in the Western Hemisphere to be platted according to the Spanish "Law of the Indies" in 1811; named for King Ferdinand VII If you can weld, you can make something just like this. $2,799.99 Old Town. It has a hull shape in cross section that lends to instability. Materials and trim changes but that is less important. The lengthwise bar on the opposite side catches the boat as it plops down level. I have another thought. As far as boat selection. The next boat we pulled down from eye level rack was the Vagabond in Tuff Weave hunter green. Old Town - Discontinued / Other Old Town - Discontinued / Other. That would be up to it’s owner; my wife. The bow of a 14’ 6" canoe will extend to be just over the the position where the hood and windscreen meet. Predator Pedal. It felt lighter than the Next despite being 3 foot longer and about 5/6" wider but seemed a handful trying to lift it over my head which I never succeeded in performing. A Next and Vagabond or Argosy is about $500 less and two Nexts the cheapest. Don’t think we will take bikes. Old Town Next. The Argosy had the same adjustable wood vinyl web seat and adjustable foot support bar but when the seat was set to the angled position I was able to get my legs under the seat to try the knelling position. The three feet of overhang beyond the bumper does not hit the trailer ( and we have made some insanely sharp turns…we do not have friction sway bars), Measure the length you have between your bumper and the front of the Airstream… You may have more room than you thinkg. Old Town (Florida), plaats in Dixie County, Florida Old Town (Key West), deel van Key West in Florida Old Town (Augusta), deel van Augusta in Georgia Old Town (Chicago), deel van Chicago in Illinois Old Town (Maine), plaats in Maine Old Town … The trick is to let your feet flatten out, so that the tops of your feet are facing the floor. Everyone is into fishing kayaks around here or the $300 10’ kayaks. Just a general comment…wife will be happier with a solo she can lift and move by herself (voice of experience) so depending on height and weight, you may want to consider something sized to her. Again, you’d approach with the boat on your shoulders, so this part is very easy. Get one solo but go to the Ozark Rendezvous which this year I believe is on the Buffalo River . Please don't copyclaim this. Furnishing Fabric and Wallpaper The first thing to know is that even though a solo canoe has no built-in yoke, you can place the front edge of the seat across the back of your shoulders and provide light stabilization with your hands in front of you holding the gunwales. The bucket seats for me were not a big comfort improvement. The wife says she’d be happy with a Next. It's fairly stable and can easily be paddled with a kayak paddle! When it comes to loading boats, it should be possible to eliminate any need for lifting the boat higher than your head. Its too wide to single blade and quite wide for a petite person. Gone are the days of making that difficult compromise between the easy access of an open canoe or the more comfortable seat of a kayak. Basically I wanted a pack canoe that didn’t break the bank. I understand the Adirondack and Vagabond are more suited to flat water vs the Argosy but the store doesn’t have two Vagabonds so if we want to take advantage of the close out pricing its either Vagabond and Argosy, Vagabond and OT Next or just then Adirondack and learning to paddle it solo. Not sure about the seat track longevity because any weight on the seat you can’t adjust the seat forward or back. The same thing goes for windy days. The Adirondack being a tandem poses problems used as a day tripping solo. Take the comfort of a kayak seat and blend it with the ease of getting into and out of a canoe, and what do you have? $925.00 We tow an Airstream and will need to mount the boats on the camper shell so the stern of boats will not extend past the tail gate vertical plane. We live in SW Missouri so there isn’t a lot of choice in canoes to purchase. Included are Minn Kota electric motor with motor mount, 2 paddles, battery charger and boat carrier (wheels). What a light boat. If you intend to buy new, and are considering the Vagabond you might want to consider a Wilderness and a Vagabond. It has a fair amount of rocker for a Wenonah. But I found that I like a particular height and cant and hate it when my canoe decides mid lake to change that. We took two canoes and two bikes to Florida for a month and paddled and rode. Probably needs a little dry lubricant. We would like to be able to paddle in cooler weather and cold water lakes we might encounter on our travels. Old Town Next, Wenonah Adirondack, Vagabond, Argosy for First Time Canoe. Too much weight for this boat with all three of us? Wednesday will be a wet, windy and cloudy day with heavy rain looking to persist for many. The Old Town Next has certainly got tongues wagging in both canoe and kayak circles due to the fact that it is an open canoe that is designed to be used like a kayak. We tow a couple of 15 foot boats behind a Jayco travel trailer. The Wilderness is.a foot longer and deeper. 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